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Johnson, Bedard, Washburn, and Big Games Baby

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Submitted by glmuskie on

So he breaks down more frequently than some other pitchers.  Do you want to win the race, or not?  What do you want,  23YO horse of a phenom who never breaks down?  Well we got one of those too.

 

Bedard is a seriously effective WEAPON that a manager can send out and KNOW that the other guys are going to be having fits.

 

Wash has been great, and this resurgence is wonderful.  For him, the team, everyone.  He's re-invented himself with his flipper pitch, sorta, as Chien-Ming Wang (3K's last night in 9 IP).

 

So let's not get carried away, and let's not forget that Bedard is one of the best lefties in the game, and Wash is a step below that.

SABR Matt's picture

There are lots of great pitchers who had to be deployed very gingerly.  Pedro Martinez leaps to mind, albeit he had more durability than Bedard has show so far.  There's nothing wrong with paying a guy the 15 mil per year he's worth in part time play if he's actually worth that in real value dollars...the fact that he hits the DL around mid-season every year with some minor problem shouldn't deter you.

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Submitted by glmuskie on

And here's the other thing...  Players can and do go through periods in their career where they are injury-prone, and when they're not.  Carlos Guillen comes to mind.  Labeled as a softie who couldn't stay healthy (despite playing for a period of time with TB), he became pretty reliable and productive for the Tigers.

 

Bedard had his shoulder cut open oh, 8-9 months ago.  He could have a stretch for a few years where his body is at peace, he's not overused, and he stays away from the DL.  You just can't predict this with pitchers.

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Submitted by Anonymous on

Coming from a respectable 5-4 road record, I expected the negative view on Johjima would be reduced. Out of the 5 wins, he started 3 of the games while Rob caught Felix for the other 2. But what are highlighted? 1) In game threads, it was his GIDP his very first AB coming from a DL stint. Nevermind that what he does admiringly is never mentioned - he gunned down Pierre later in that game; nevermind that he GIDP at a lower rate than Rob (per PA). 2) His PB during the last game. Nevermind that the game was virtually over (7-4) with just 6 outs at that point; nevermind that he actually has PB at a lower rate (per inning) than Rob - Rob would actually have even more PBs if at least one of the 2 WP by Felix in the previous game was scored a PB (in my (untrained) eyes, the first one should have been PB).

SABR Matt's picture

I've said multiple times that Johjima's bat is hot right now, that Rob Johnson is a poor defensive catcher when it comes to the kinds of things that show up in the catcher-specific defensive stats, and that neither is a good long term solution behind the plate.

And you do have to admit that Johjima has a maddeningly regular tendency to hit two hoppers right to the third baseman.  There's a reason I started calling him "groundball to third" way back in 2007.

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Submitted by Anonymous on

I just said the expected negative view on Johjima will be abetted somehow coming from a "successful" road performance. That's all. I can't see how my comment  could illicit a "Come on now"  response.

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Submitted by jemanji on

For our part, we really meant to tackle the question of "is Rob Johnson a catching genius?" and it morphed into an assessment of who should start.

Johjima, thankfully, actually seems to be catching a lot less heat in 2009 than he used to.  Wakamatsu snuffed Carlos Silva hard when Silva tried to ignite the old barbecue and Joh has had a lot more peace this year.

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In Joh's defense, we did note that although the Mariners have allowed far more runs in his starts, they have also SCORED far more.  That's important, and interesting.  Why should the M's have scored 2 more runs per night in Johjima games?  Is that caused by the same things that cause the higher CERA?

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:shrug: the pitchers continue to let us know that they think that they can pitch better with Johnson back there.  Their perception, in and of itself, is important.

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Submitted by Sandy - Raleigh on

Great article, Doc.  Captures my thinking almost perfectly. 

That said - I found it curious that you only mentioned K/BB when discussing "how would I know".  The first T in TTO stands for Three after all.  In previous seasons, the big slosh with Joh was BABIP - which skewed badly against Joh.  But, BABIP is viewed as a luck-driven stat, so it's not unreasonable to lay out some extra line.  But, in 2009, the HR rate for Joh has been nightmarish - (41 HRs by Joh in 31 games -- 29-HRs with Johnson in 42 games). 

The other thing (refering to the Johnson thread), is that you said RJ's K/BB isn't drastically better.  I'm looking at the 2009 stats on 7/8.  What do they show?

Johnson: K/BB = 2.38 ... Johjima K/BB = 1.59 ... Burke K/BB = 1.79 (only 12 games).

If a .81 edge in K/BB isn't big, what is?  The LEAGUE difference for best to worst K/BB is 1.58 for Cleveland up to 2.39 for the Twins.  The difference between Joh and Johnson is LITERALLY the difference between the best and worst teams in the AL in terms of K/BB.  The aggregate pitching numbers for Seattle are 1.94, (just a smidge under the league average of 1.99).  The PITCHING, taken as a whole, is average.  With Johnson, they become the best in the AL, with Joh, they become the worst.  How could that NOT be viewed as significant.  For me, the adjective I would use is massive.  (Of course, it's pretty clear that the blame is divisible almost 50/50.)  It's not that Johnson is lightyears ahead of EVERY other catcher -- but evidence suggests he is currently an "elite" game-caller, while Joh would have to be viewed as the polar opposite - "replacement level" game-caller. 

 

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Submitted by jemanji on

++That said - I found it curious that you only mentioned K/BB when discussing "how would I know".++

Sure... there might be many, perhaps 100's, of ways to prove me wrong... K/BB would be the first place I'd look, is all we mean...

And I didn't even look at K/BB.  I looked at K's.  Eyeballing those, the K/IP looked about the same for both.

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Putting the numbers out there, you demonstrate that the K/BB *do* show a huge edge for Johnson.  So, the question remains open as to whether Johnson's a catching genius.  ;- )

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You opine that Johnson's an elite defensive catcher.  That re-opens the question for me.

Thanks pardner.

 

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