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Submitted by M-Pops on

I would love for the $1.5 plus incentives to be true.  At that price, Bedard is a much more affordable #1SP(c) than Sheets and/or Harden, and has an even chance at matching their total IP (including the postseason, of course :)

Thanks for all the great work, Doc, and all the great contributions.  SSI really made this offseason fly by.  If this team is half as much fun to follow during the season as it was out of it, we are all in for a great one. 

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Submitted by jemanji on

Ya, we are lighting fires with wet newspaper, compared to once they're actually playing baseball and stuff :- )

$1.5 compared to $10-13 for Sheets and 2/$16-22 for Harden?  Must be $8m in incentives, I guess...

One thing about it, Bedard is the LHP in Safeco.  Would love to see him right, with 9+ K's, a big GB rate and Safeco defending the fly balls... he'd run like a 2.82 ERA or something.

Oh yeah, that's what his ERA was in '09.  The M's could have one of those teams with three SP's in the top 5 in ERA, like the Dodgers who used to haunt my Big Red Machine.

You'd see a mediocre team roll in, like the Jays or somebody, and the M's just pole-ax them 1-2-3 and never be behind all series.

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Submitted by Bilbo on

and hope the Ms worked a 2011 option in there somewhere. :-)  Honestly can't wait for the season to start and might have to make a swing to AZ as well as I've never done the ST thing. 

Rumors seem to be getting stronger as USSM and ProspectInsider both saying it sounds like it is happening very soon for 1.5-2m base plus incentives.  I am truly amazed that the local press is blinded by their disdain for Bedard and justifies it by claiming it is a bad idea for the Ms.  Honestly, it is their job to at least know the facts and report them but instead I hear comments like Bedard took $8m from them last year and gave them nothing in return (Paul Silvi on ESPN 710 yesterday). 

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...Bedard gave them about what he was paid in terms of on-field value.  So...the media are full of idiots.

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Submitted by Bilbo on

but he is held accountable for what Bavasi traded for him, which is ridiculous.  Instead of being applauded for pitching thru pain, he is criticized for being hurt and not pitching 7 innings.  Always amazes me how the propoganda machine affects the masses.

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Submitted by NyMariner05 on

Are there any players in recent history to come back from a torn labrum and actually pitch well the following season? The 2011 prognosis may be good, but what can we realistically expect 10-12 months removed from that type of injury and surgery. Color me pessimistic about this one. I still think we need to make another move for the rotation.

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Submitted by jemanji on

When you start looking around for pitchers who've had labrum surgery and returned to action about a year later -- recent examples, because medical science is always advancing -- you're going to wind up with 3 or 4 pitchers.

Rather than us try to medically analyze it with 3-4 case studies on the web, better to skip to the bottom line and ask the surgeons, who have more than 3-4 cases to look at.  They're pointing Bedard to May-June.

One thing NYM is that Bedard's labrum escaped detection for quite a while.  I'm not guessing that means it's a 70% tear.

As well, Bedard was pitching effectively with the torn labrum.  He figures to be better this June than wherever he was last June.

.............

Sheets, Bedard, etc are gambles, which is why they're not getting $100m contracts.

Another pitcher?  How about Washbin for the 4 slot...  Bedard's $$ would be a drop in the bucket...

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Submitted by Taro on

It makes me nervous too.

At 1.5-2mil thats a gamble you pretty much have to take. If Bedard is even 80% of the pitcher he was healthy then he'll be worth it and then some.

The Ms ABSOLUTELY need another starter though. You can't count on Bedard; hes the wild card.

We can't be in a situation where Snell and Fister are both holding down rotation spots for significant parts of the season. One is ok, two could break up rythym of your team.

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Submitted by glmuskie on

Had to fire off a quick email to Ian 'I have an unreasonable hatred for Erik Bedard' Furness.  Driving around and heard him saying the problem with Bedard is he's a 100-pitch pitcher.

MLB average #Pitches per Game Start:  95

Bedard career #P/GS : 100

Pettite career #P/GS : 100

Beckett career #P/GS : 98

Felikkkkkkkks career #P/GS : 102

etc.

 

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Submitted by jemanji on

Shoulda put that on the front page, GL.

I wish the two local big blogs would use some of their muscle to shut down the unhelpful "100-pitch pitcher" accusation. 

The blogs are well aware of the fallacy with that, and just an article or two would bring the writers up to speed and relieve us all of the dreary routine.

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Submitted by wufners on

Not that I'm on board with any of the Beddard complaining amongst the media, but I think the complaint isn't that he's 100 and done, but that he's 100 and done by the 5th.

This is still short sighted, though, since it ignores that he is awesome in those 5 innings, has throwing them through significant injury, and IMO is often the victim of poor umping.

I'm pumped to have him back.  And if the journalist folks could put their hurt feelings back in their purses for a moment, they might see that Eric has actually been fairly friendly and outgoing by his standards as of late.  I really do think the guy likes it here in Seattle.

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Submitted by glmuskie on

Agreed wufners.

Bedard career IP/GS:  5.8

MLB average IP/GS : 5.8

Felix caree IP/GS : 6.6; Pettite 6.4; Beckett 6.2

Ya Bedard's been largely a 5-inning pitcher in Seattle, where he's enjoyed the shortest outings of his career due to injuries.  Take away his Seattle years, and he's closer to Beckett's 6.2.  It's a fair criticism, but it's nothing to wail and gnash your teeth about; he's a strikeout pitcher, he's been injured, and if he performs at career-normal levels, then the length of his outings is about average for baseball.

I wouldn't mind seeing him in the pen for a while when he comes back, especially if the young 'uns are doing well.  Let him build some arm strength and hand with Wetteland for a bit.

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Submitted by Bilbo on

Felix 6.5

Beckett 6.3

Pettitte 6.2

Bedard 5.9

So yes, he doesn't go quite as deep into games as some of the other pitchers mentioned but considering the difference is at most 2/3 of an inning on average between him and Felix (and less for the others) as well as how effective he is in the innings he does pitch then you realize how rediculous the argument becomes.

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Submitted by wufners on

True, but the Seattle guys aren't looking at careers here, they're looking and judging by a two year sample size.  What they see is:

Felix becoming an ace while averaging 6.76 innings per start (and 7.0 this past year)

Bedard rolling his eyes at their questions while averaging 5.5 innings per start and Adam Jones is an All Star and the Mariners were terrible in 2008.

To them, the formula is "made me feel awkward + he's not meeting the high expectations + unrevised first impressions that he is a baby and a wuss + big time losing season + other guys in trade becoming stars + scapegoats and negative reports are easier to write/give = Bedard's a jerk."

Again, I'm just being a Devil's advocate here.   I see why some feel the way they do, but strongly disagree.  In real life, I'm with you fellers.  I actually enjoy his interviews.  :)

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