Enemy Pitchers Not Giving M's Anything

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Toss out your morning New York Times crossword puzzle, or Sudoku, or Skip-O-Vision translation ring game, and tackle something much more challenging this morning.  Which of the following numbers does not belong?

SEA rank among 30 teams O-Swing Z-Swing Contact% Zone% SwStr% F-Strike% HR ISO
  26 23 16 1 14 16 13 18

The Mariners see more strikes than any other team - a lot more strikes.  Over 49% of pitches delivered to the M's are thrown inside the strike zone, compared to 45% for the league.  Only three other teams are even over 47.0%.

This contributes to a BB rate that is much lower than it should be; the M's are #26 in BB percentage.  As you might have noticed, it's tough grinding out a rally when you never seem to have a walk or two mixed in there.  

I don't have the data, but would be willing to bet that most "crooked number" rallies -- the number on the board is not straight, a "1" -- are "given to" the offense by a pitcher who walked a man or two aboard.  A lot of sports lies in the "unforced error" aspect of the battle, much more than fans like to admit.

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Q.  Are the pitchers refusing to walk the Mariners because they're not dangerous enough to command respect?

A.  Check the HR and ISO column.  Why wouldn't the 17 teams below them in the HR column be getting no walks?

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Q.  Are Eric Wedge's aggressiveness sermons causing the low walks?

A.  Check the O-Swing column.  The M's have the 5th-best rate in the majors at this.  They have been absolutely superb, for such a young team, in refusing sucker pitches.  It's remarkable that a 23-year-old team* should be in the top 5 of 30 teams in refusing pitches outside the strike zone.

Whatever you think about Wedge's aggressiveness philosophy, the Mariners are not swinging at called balls.  Then how much can we really complain?  That's what you want to do:  lay off balls, and attack good pitches.  Even if you're Eric Wedge's worst critic, you should give it up for him on the O-Swing percentage.  C'mon, be fair.

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Q.  Why would the First Strike % be normal, but the overall strike % be sky-high?

A.  Necessarily because --- > enemy pitchers throw the Seattle Mariners a weirdly high number of strikes when down 1-0, 2-0, and 2-1.  Enemy pitching has been totally fearless when behind in the count.  Here it is, hit it.

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Q.  Do the M's see a lot of breaking pitches in these counts?

A.  There's nothing unusual in the pitch mix the M's see.  And the Mariners are not good or bad at hitting any type of pitch - fastball, cutter, change, whatever.

It's no more and no less than pitchers going "here it is, hit it" when behind in the count.

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Q.  Wouldn't this apply to other teams, too?  Oakland doesn't hit well.  Pittsburgh doesn't.  They don't face this syndrome.

A.  I would say it's due to one of two things:

1) The reputation of the 513-run seasons in 2010 and 2011* lingers, or

2) The Mariners have seen disproportionately tough pitching for 37 games.

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Q.  Supposing that it was 1), what would be the fix?

A.  To load up and punish 2-0 pitches for home runs, rather than for singles.  Have 'em open up those swings in hitters' counts.

Of course, that may be what they're doing; perhaps the Mariners are really the majors' #20 best homer team, and are #13 because of the over-challenging.

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Q.  Supposing that it was 2), what would be the fix?

A.  To wait for easier pitching.

I'd like to see somebody go through and count up the 2011 xFIP numbers for the 37 starters the M's have faced, and compare it to the league average... I'll bet you dollars to Ackley bobbleheads that the 37 starters have been really good.

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Q.  Leaving us where?

A.  In any case, an M's fan can tune into the Grand Theme over-arc'ing here.  The M's have got to punish enemy pitching for taking so much of the plate.

Those pesky rodent opposition starters are getting a whoooolllle lotta the plate on 2-0 and 2-1.  It's up to the M's to blast this overconfident approach or to do without walks.

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BABVA,

Dr D

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moethedogAbsolutely G. Give him the 1st Maurer start. Get his feet wet.4 min 25 sec ago
Gordon GrossSucre's caught Paxton, Walker, Maurer and Hultzen over the last year. We could do worse than promote an actual backup catcher with experience dealing with the Pitchers of the Future and who can throw a dude out.13 min 56 sec ago
blissedj"A bat-first DH/1B who can catch in a pinch has lots of value." Yes, would love a Mike Napoli on our team!15 min 39 sec ago
moethedogNot much pop for Sucre: In his last 600 AA/AAA AB's hes had 20 doubles and 2 homers. But he's thrown out 52%, 44% and 37% the last 3 years. Congrats to him. It's a funny move to not do alongside releasing Andino, which was a more immediate need. Perhaps that is next. Montero will probably not catch much more down there than he did here. It's an interesting dilemma. W/O lots of reps, he will never become a full-time MLB catcher. he won't get those reps with Zunino in the same house, nor should he. He should focus on the bat. A bat-first DH/1B who can catch in a pinch has lots of value.21 min 4 sec ago
rick82If we are going to continue to compete, we have to let some of these poor performers regress to the mean. Look at Brendan Ryan. Dude has put up a 1.023 OPS since we left Seattle for New York. So, yes, it's probably getting close to replacing him in the lineup with Franklin because he isn't going to keep that up. But Harang - Harang is gonna bust out with some good outings in June.21 min 51 sec ago
Gordon GrossSucre has a miniscule ISO the last couple years, but he's an okay hitter. It's like having Triunfel behind the plate. This means Shoppach is gonna be catching a lot, so hopefully he can keep hitting. And yeah, I wanna see what happens to the 40-man roster.45 min 5 sec ago
SABR Mattthe compensation 40=man roster move will be interesting. Sucre might actually be a better hitter than Montero right now...at least he doesn't strike out 25+% of his PA. The next step is to do something about Harang.50 min 17 sec ago
rick82Gotta have at least one Jesus on your roster, right?50 min 19 sec ago
Gordon GrossSo we ARE swapping Montero to AAA for Sucre, confirmed on the Mariners' site. Congrats to Sucre!53 min 37 sec ago
rick82I like the idea of Montero becoming a masher at first and DH, and offering the added benefit of being a 3rd catcher so that our manager has, or feels he has, greater flexibility in the latter innings. Of course, in those latter innings, it would be Montero who would be the first guy taken out if a pinch runner is needed.1 hour 22 min ago
rick82I am fine with giving Harang a few more starts. He had a pretty good season last year, and his stats suggest he's due for a regression. His back problem made him somewhat rusty for his last start. In 2007, Jeff Weaver gave us a very good June between a horrific April-May and July on. Weaver wasn't nearly as good a pitcher coming into Seattle as Harang was (the latter posted a 105 ERA+ for the Dodgers last year), post-season heroics aside. I'd like to see Paxton get past the 6th inning in under 100 pitches at least once before getting called up, but if he can't, there's still lots of goodness there for a July callup. I'd be delighted with a Paxton callup, but I can wait, and prefer to wait, until the M's are comfortable with it.1 hour 25 min ago
Gordon GrossNo, man, thank YOU for the convo. :-) terry - I trade Triunfel. Bad mental makeup + only one skill (hit tool is okay, but D at SS isn't any better than Franklin, hits righty, doesn't walk, doesn't have much power, no baserunning plusses) means that if his hit tool struggles for a bit he gives you NOTHING. And his previous attitude issues don't make you think he can handle struggling very well. Plus we have Miller and Taylor on his heels, and he'll be a FA shortly. Not worth the hassle of trying to keep a spot for him, IMO. I could be wrong, and I am a hater, as I said before. ;-)1 hour 38 min ago
Gordon GrossCould we triage with Paxton? Absolutely. Throw him on the 40-man, promote him to try to get through until E-Ram and Hultzen get healthy, and see where he's at. He can't be blown up any more than Harang or Road Saunders. And he's gota fair number of innings under his belt. But there's an argument to be made against it - it's not a 9-out-of-10-doctors-agree thing. Personally I've been stating for a while that Paxton's walks aren't gonna come down for a while, but that didn't stop Kershaw from being good his first couple years. Paxton just needs to not get hit. Until the last couple of games he was getting his too much, but now he's going in the right direction.1 hour 47 min ago
blissedjOK Gordon, good point about the pen. I would be fine with him coming up in July as you mentioned earlier. Please M's don't keep him down until September though, that is too long (unless injured). Thanks for the point-counterpoint G!1 hour 48 min ago
Gordon GrossPaxton has had various (minor) ailments in his minor league career. His knee took him out for 6 weeks last year, you're absolutely right. And while *I* don't care if Paxton throws 180 innings after only getting up to 105 once in his career, a lot of major league teams take that very seriously. If he was a horse who never misses a start that might be one thing, but he hasn't been. He'll also continue to tax the pen because he has trouble getting through 6 innings. Too many Ks/pitches thrown early. I'd rather tax the pen with a lead than by beind down 7 after 2 innings, but Paxton can and will blow up early in games too.1 hour 50 min ago
phxterryThanks, Gordon, appreciate your response. So, if he's not ready, what do we do with him? Does he need more time in AAA to allow him to improve?1 hour 51 min ago
Gordon Grossterry, I'm not a Triunfel guy. He's always had attitide problems, got suspended in High-A by the team, was a clubhouse disaster in AA, refuses to walk (a 7:34 BB:K ratio? really?) and until this year had zero power. I don't believe in him as more than a bench option. A nice month thanks to a .400 BABIP doesn't change my mind on that.1 hour 53 min ago
blissedjThat is all understood and valid. Innings are important, but the guy is healthy now and ready to go. Texas throws Grimm and Tepesch in there, they survive. What is the health problem? I thought it was a knee? Are we really concerned Paxton is going to have his arm fall off if he pitches in the M's rotation from here to season end? Without the knee he would have pitched about as many innings last year at AA as Maurer.1 hour 54 min ago
Gordon GrossSo when you said, "how many teams would keep Paxton in AAA this long" my response is basically, "EVERY team." Because they try to keep all their pitchers down for a couple of seasons worth of INNINGS, even the great, "can't miss" ones drafted in the first round. There are a couple of exceptions, like Harper is an exception for teen hitters, but judging Paxton by those singularities isn't realistic. If James still has his walks under control 5 starts from now maybe they'll call him up in July. Saying "Oh good, you chained 2 good starts together, come on up even though you can only get through 5 innings" is probably over-reaching by the org.1 hour 55 min ago
Gordon GrossMatt Harvey had 245 innings in the minors (aka more than Paxton has so far) AND was the best college righty in the draft. James Paxton wasn't the best college lefty in either the 2009 or 2010 draft, and certainly not the most pro-ready. Saying "one guy made it so where is Paxton" ignores the health concerns and missed time that James has, as well as his inconsistency. James is not behind schedule based on his IP - he just hasn't pitched as many innings as other pitchers in his class. That means something.2 hours 2 min ago