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Edwin Jackson's Plateau Leap - II

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jemanji's picture
Submitted by jemanji on

of Matt's,

Today, the word is that the talks have stalled and are unlikely to ever be productive...the reason?  Z doesn't want to give up a load of prospects for Jackson just as he's about to hit FA.

It seems each year, the principals use the media more and more to send each other signals... especially the agents, but also the GM's...

"Unlikely to ever be productive" means that unless Detroit or Boras are willing to give some ground, then there will be no trade... Jack is heavily endorsed by SSI on this front...

Not impossible of course that Detroit/Boras (whichever is holding up the line) will buy into this and say, "ok, here's what we can do"...

 

jemanji's picture
Submitted by jemanji on

Dombrowski knows that he isn't getting much back for Jackson if he won't allow negotiation, especially in view of Bora$... he'll run into the same problemo with all 29 teams...

Boras also realizes that 2012 is a long ways away, a lot can happen before then, and that Jackson is no sure thing

.... A 2-year extension (2012-13) at (say) $12M per year, would lock in the riches for Jackson, assure his wealth for the rest of his life, and be quite tempting...

Seattle denizens are not too excited about Jackson and might tremble at the thought of $10-15M per for him... however, Jack Zduriencik is evidently giving Jackson more credit than are the fans...

Taro's picture
Submitted by Taro on

Edwin Jackson is a strong buy for me.

Copying Mike Roger's comments in a Ed.Jackson forum:

"He only went up ~30 innings, but he threw wayyyy more pitches. 2008 saw him throw 2955 pitches in 32 games for an average of 89.5 (call it 90).

2009 saw him throw 3454 in 33 games for an average 104.6 (call it 105).

Essentially 15 more pitches per outing which is a considerable amount, in my opinion."

Considering the dramatic fall-off in the second half in SwS% and Strike% probably due to fatigue, I like Ed.Jackson's shot at a breakout season in '10 (as long as you keep him fresh). 180 IPs strong is about right.

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Submitted by jemanji on

He threw 25 great starts, and then hit the wall.  

We can't average his stats and come up with the right picture.  The first 25 starts are the ones that Zduriencik will be looking at.

That said, if you can't talk contract with Jackson, he could turn out to be a 1-year rental.

Taro's picture
Submitted by Taro on

Boras as his agent is a HUGE minus. It makes him a gauranteed 1 or 2 year rental, and thats probably all you should be paying for.

jemanji's picture
Submitted by jemanji on

... but I would think that you could extend Jackson, at (say) 2 x $12 or 3 x $12 for the no-arb years and that would be okay with Boras.

I suspect that Dombrowski is not allowing the contact, because afraid that Boras will blow the deal.  My guess is, he's hoping to deal Jackson without the hassle of depending on Boras to be reasonable.

And if that's the case, I'd expect Dombrowski to relent shortly.

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There is absolutely no way that Boras will even consider a contract extension. Boras' number one rule, the Prime Directive that any player must agree to if they are going to hire him, is to go free agency as soon possible. That is where he can work his magic and secure a monster deal. Boras doesn't care one iota about how that might inconvenience the execs in Detroit, they mean nothing to him. He also does not "play it safe" by postponing free agency in exchange for guaranteed money. He wants to get the biggest deal possible, and that means getting his guy into the market at the youngest age possible, regardless of the risks.

One thing to keep in mind is that Boras is probably not motivated simply by a desire to make the most money for himself. He seems to genuinely hate the teams and be driven to make signing his clients a truly painful experience. He somewhat reminds me of record producer Steve Albini. Albini will work with artists signed to major labels, but will deliberately demand an exhorbinant price simply because he has no respect for the big record companies. Boras is likely similar. He probably thinks that the players deserve a far larger cut of the revenue stream and that the teams are essentially screwing the players so he is not going to accommodate them in anyway. If anything, he wants to make the baseball executives miserable. (This is why I could not fathom why anyone thought that Bavasi could work out more favorable deals with Boras clients because of some relationship the two might have even if such a thing were even ethical, which I don't think it is.)

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