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Doogie and the Scrubs are lookin' good

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TC's picture
Submitted by TC on

I'm getting dizzy here Doc. So do you like this guy or not?  And tell me, have you retired the first Dr. Detecto Avatar?  That should be enshrined somewhere.

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Submitted by jemanji on

Ya, I should go find that avatar someplace, and use it every tenth post or something...

Yep, I like Doogie, and have since his first game... thing is, all such guys trying to establish themselves in the majors are underdogs, right?   ...getting to the point to where you'd bet them odds-on is a major milestone IMHO...

SABR Matt's picture

Considering I bumped Fister up to a solid B- or B pitcher on my depth chart grades some four weeks ago...it's nice to have your support on it. :)  Any rotation that excludes Fister next season will be utterly and completely brainless.  And I mean that as literally as I've ever meant anything in my life.  King Felix, RRS and Fister are the locks.  Make Morrow, Bedard, Silva and Snell fight over the remaining two spots and call it good.

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Submitted by wufners on

"The ball arrives in random sectors of the zone, at random speeds, at random depths, with random arcs on the tail of the pitch." 

Sounds like a knuckleball.  How does Fister's swinging K% compare to a knuckleballer's?

Maybe Fister can be what us Dickey fans were hoping for.  But with command.  :)

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Submitted by jemanji on

Knuckleballers get some of the best BABIP's against, precisely because hitters are trying to swat mosquitoes with willow switches, and after that are the guys with change-speed games, such as Moyer.

Radke himself had a .275 lifetime BABIP.

Fister's is .236... can't stay that low, but is an interesting start...

I think when the hitters have to swing at different DEPTHS of the ball, that's when you see the weaker swings...  if it's just different areas of the swing, they can haul off and whack at it, hoping to adjust the barrel's location...

But Doogie keeps them off kilter as to how deep a pitch is going to be... the knuckleballer thing hadn't occurred but is very apt...

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Submitted by jemanji on

If you go to fangraphs.com > leaders > pitchers > starters > plate discipline > sort by swing % ...

Fister's 40.8 swing % would be virtually lowest in the major leagues, and that despite his tiny walk rate.   The man is throwing everything for strikes and yet nobody ever swings.

Average is what, 46% or so ... Wakefield has about an average swing rate...

Moyer's lifetime swing % is 43.7%, well below average, and oddly, Radke's (since 2002) was 52%, way above average...

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Submitted by jemanji on

Sort fangraphs > leaders > plate discipline by Z-swing % -- how often a hitter swings at a ball in the strike zone --

and Fister is HILARIOUSLY better than EVERYBODY IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES.  He's at 55% and best in the majors right now is Gallardo at 59.9%.

I think that if you examine the Fangraphs table on Z-swing %, and consider Fister's 55.4% rate, that gives you the idea on this kid.   No wonder S% was giving people the wrong idea on him.

SABR Matt's picture

...Fister will run consistently low BABIPs...and if the Mariners keep fielding this well behind him, he could be lower than Radke was as long as the defense remains this solid.  So the correction will not be all that severe in BABIP terms.  I also expect hitters will start swinging at more strikes and that the common approach is going to be to swing at the first pitch against him a LOT...I remember the 90s Mariners doing that with Radke when he was coming up...attacking the first pitch a lot because they knew he'd be around the plate.  The result will be a high HR rate, a very low walk rate (even lower than it is now) and a temporary drop in K rate until he adjusts and throws his plus plus change-up more often on the first pitch.  How fast he adjusts will determine how fast he gels into a top 15 starter in the AL...and yes, i believe it's only a matter of time until that is true.

Doug Fister is the Real Deal...if the Mariners do not keep him in the rotation, I will be very upset.

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Submitted by Lonnie on

Did you see that sick, sick movement on his changeup?  He threw it well inside to a lefty and the ball broke about 8 inches away from him for a strike.  That is devistating!

 

Lonnie

SABR Matt's picture

The change-up is clearly Fister's signature pitch...and it's the kind of pitch they're not going to swing through as often as they'll stare at it for a K.  I'm willing to bet that kind of Maddux-style movement gets an unusuallly low S% / K ratio.

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Submitted by jemanji on

He starts getting the tail as well, he's got a Pedro Martinez change there...

It was a "70" change without the tail... now what is it?

Funny thing was, he didn't get the K's off the change; he got them off the FB.  Which tells you that the hitters were looking change first, and then getting blown away by 89 fastballs.

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Submitted by Taro on

Thats actually pretty likely to regress, as is the BABIP (his BABIP in minors has been .300+ the last three years in the minors). Guys right now are swinging at balls and laying off of strikes. Some of this is thanks to his pitching saavy and his changeup. A lot of it is also luck.

While hes due for a hard regression, Fister is starting to look like a Major League pitcher capable of holding down a #4-5 spot in the rotation next year for pennies. His changeup looks like its for real.

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