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Dustin Ackley at 2B? That's a #1-overall worthy player

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Silentpadna's picture
Submitted by Silentpadna on

Yeah Jeff, you say Foster ignited the Reds with his bat, but did his Defense cost them runs?  (/TIC)

jemanji's picture
Submitted by jemanji on

L! O! L!

Y'know Russter, *that* one's grrreat...

Even better question:  is your comment satire, or not? :- )

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Submitted by Silentpadna on

Satire.  As Dodger fan at that time, I would have loved it if Foster wasn't there.  I'm sure Reds fans could care less if he was a statue out there.  He was a masher.

 

Just seems to me that every player mentioned in local cyberspace always comes with some sort of defense comment.  I suppose that if the M's wanted to trade for A-Rod (contract notwithstanding) these days, that the objection to it would be that his D isn't as good as Beltre's.

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Submitted by OBF on

We see over at MC people are worried about moving Lopez to third as well, stating that he hasn;t played a single game there since 2007.  To which my feeble mind says...So?  Not only could Lopez move there tomorrow, but I bet he would be an defensive ASSET at third (instead of the slight liability he is at 2nd).  My non beltre infield would look like:

3rd -- Lopez

SS -- Cedeno

2nd -- YuBet

1st -- Branyan

 

Or even better:

3rd -- Branyan

SS -- YuBet / Jack Wilson (if the trade rumors are true) / Cedano

2nd -- Lopez

1st -- Carp / Clement :)

 

More left mashers = More better!  And Branyan would aquit himself just fine at third (That is the position he has played the MOST in the majors).

 

The biggest issue here is whoever moves into third CAN NOT be compared to Beltre defensivly.  Beltre is truly one of THE BEST defenseive third sackers of all time.  Just get his defense out of your mind, because whoever we put there, even if we put a pure SS there, will not have the amazing instincts and glove that Beltre does!

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Submitted by jemanji on

I don't get the controversy about Lopez at 3B at all.  About the only reason not to play a 2B at 3B would be if he didn't have the arm.

It is possible, I guess, that Lopez would hurt the ballclub at 3B, but it is also possible that we in cyber-Seattle get a little too precious about defense.  :- )   At some point you'd better start scoring a few runs.

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Submitted by SABR Matt on

Caveat 1) Pete Rose was a HORRRRRIBLE defensive third baseman.  Chipper Jones bad.  Russ Davis bad.  He was a nightmare at third.

Caveat #1: George Foster may have been the worst defensive outfielder of the 1970s if not for Greg Luzinski

Caveat #3: Russell Branyan may have played a lot of third, but he did so very badly.

BUT

The Mariner defense hasn't been spectacular lately anyway and moves need to be made to shake up this team.

I'm wholeheartedly in favor of moving Beltre in a deal for a middle infield prospect and a relief pitcher (MLB ready), shifting Branyan to third for the rest of the season and calling up Mike Carp to play first.  That line-up would be MUCH more appealing to me..

RF) Ichiro (L)
2B) Lopez (R)
3B) Branyan (L)
LF) Balentien (R)
1B) Carp (L)
CF) Gutierrez (R)
DH) Griffey (L)
C) Johjima (R)
SS) Betancourt/Cedeno (R)

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Submitted by jemanji on

Good caveats.

What do DNRA+ and PCA say about the 1975 and 1976 Reds ballclubs after Rose became their third baseman, though?  :- )

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Submitted by Anonymous on

The mid-70s Reds after the Rose shift got noticeably worse on team defense and even more noticeably better in the hitting department...obviously the net gains exceeded the net losses despite Rose and Foster being horrendous with the gloves...

It helps that the Reds were built more around offense than defense anyway.

The 2009 Mariners can't afford to run a 2008 Mariner defense...they need good defense to have any chance of winning (because no matter how many bats we try to add...the offense is not going to be much better than OK (because too many positions are ossified).

We need Wlad in there and hitting well, we need Branyan in there and hitting well...we need Griffey taking pitches and drawing walks, we need Ichiro to get on base, and we need Lopez and whoever we add to replace Beltre to start hitting immediately.

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