Angels 6 .....

Devo Swag - for all your meltdown needs.  Coming to an M's team store near you

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=== Blake Beavan ===

Dr. D throughly admired his moxie and his command.  And he caught Prince Albert with a couple of early-count changeups.  Tonight he threw the ball well, by his standards.  He executed pitches just about as well as he can execute them.

Watching batters with 53 OPS+'s pop the ball up, and watching Albert Pujols whack the ball out of the park, a sudden thought occurred.  I wonder if Blake Beavan's unusually good at catching rabbits, and unusually susceptible to being trampled by elephants.

The "here it is, hit it" 91 fastball on 2-1 leads to batted-ball outs against AAA players and against Alberto Callaspo.  Has anybody ever checked Beavan against dangerous hitters?

It's a thought.  At BJOL there has been a discussion about historical "bully" pitchers -- Don Drysdale actually did pitch unusually well against weak teams, with no pressure on, and tended to wilt against good teams, with pressure on.  I think he was 0-13 or something against Juan Marichal.

Beavan doesn't have a bully personality; he's a courageous man.  I wonder (w-o-n-d-e-r) if his "show me" attitude stands up to the scrutiny of, say, a Yankee lineup or, say, 100 starts in the majors.

One strikeout tonight.

 

=== Tom Wilhelmsen ===

Did the heavy lifting for League on Friday.  He rocked Mike Trout's world with a [12-6 Curve, 98-MPH] fastball left and right.  

This forced his plan through:  there were two out, nobody on for Prince Albert.  Capt. Insano battled gamely through to a harmless walk.  He then retired Kendrys Morales easily on an 0-1 topped groundout.

Nobody noticed that Wilhelmsen had done exactly the same thing for League in League's "save" against Texas.  Wilhelmsen fought the heart of the Texas order hammer and tongs, saving the game in the 8th inning ... then League the Titled Magic Closer crept in to face the #7, #8, and #9 hitters there.  The first batter crushed a fastball right at an outfielder, though League did retire the #8 and #9 hitters routinely with the PSI gauge down to exactly zero.

Naturally, the TV crew proclaimed League "BACK!" after that sham outing in Texas.  Dr. D looked on forlornly.  He knew better.

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=== Brandon League ===

SSI has consistently argued that the intersection of (A) League's telegraphed pitches and (B) League's wildness gives a recipe for --- > guaranteed pain and anguish.

I'm glad to re-visit that periodically.  Things change.  Maybe this diagnosis is no longer in order?  Let's visit it again tonight.  What actually happened out there?   :: ticks list off on his fingers ::

.......

1) League came in, to face the bottom of the Angels' lineup, with the body language of a man facing an amputation.  Without whiskey.

2) League's first pitch was a telegraphed fastball, of course, and Mark Trumbo (who averages 38 walks and 161 strikeouts per season) leisurely whacked it into center for a clean single.

3) League, fighting his command all the way, walked Alberto Callaspo.  Alberto Callaspo has a 63 OPS+.

4) League made a fielding error.  Because you couldn't have pulled a needle out of his lips with a tractor.

5) League's first pitch to Erick Aybar ... OPS+ 53 ... was a telegraphed fastball whacked into center field for the game winner.

.........

Hm.  I'm going to go with "Yep."

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After the game, Wedge says he has no choice.  League's the closer.  There's nobody else down there.

Hesitation will make your worst nightmares Come. True.  Dr D cheerfully invites anybody to explain to him, in one-syllable words so he can understand it, how a "rissssky, Gollum, rissssky" April promotion of Steven Pryor and Carter Capps could have

RESULTED IN ANYTHING WORSE THAN THIS !!!

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Wedge may indeed not have a lot of choices. League is their only real mid-season trade chip of worth, so he may have orders to get him right. He may well have had orders to give Figgins that shot as well. Reading between the lines on his comments about this week's Figgins-Wells fiasco, he likely didn't have a choice there either.
He did choose to PH Ryan instead of Ackley in the 9th, so he's not blameless but there are factors at play in his decisions outside that day's game - whether we like it or not.

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That's what I say to Wedge.
Gollum? How about Wedge saying (of League), "He's my precious, my precious!!!"
I said a bad word and turned the TV off after Kendrick torched off.
And after the walk to Callaspo, but before the throw into LF (nicely handled by Baggins, right?) I said, aloud, "Man, can't maybe Iwakuma close?" I may have used a colorful set of adjectives and adverbs.
Which was after I said "What the hell did he take Wilhelmsen out for?"
He has no other options, except to close League? What you say? He also had no other options (until injury saved us) except to catch Olivo. He had no other option except to roll Figgins out there for four weeks.
C'mon! Phhhhhhhhhttttttt at that line of reasoning.
Moe

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Sorry Griz,
League is batting-practice fodder right now. I can't see how you just roll him out there, most likely to get smashed up in the 9th, just to possible enhance his possible trade value for some nebulous-possible trade at some hazy future point.
Wedge's job is to win THIS game. Not opening day next year.
You're right about the Ryan PH, pretty weird. But of all the choices Wedge had (leave Wilhelmsen, go with Furbish, Delabar, Kelley, Iwakuma or Luetge---who hasn't given up a run this year), which one would you have thought was a worse choice than League, when the inning began.
If Z is insisting that we fuel the fire with League when the situation arises, then Z needs to defend that publically, and not let his manager swing.
Wedge almost can't use League at home for a while now. He's going to be booed, and deservedly so, as soon as he leaves the bullpen.
He'll be tight as a drum, if he isn't already.
League must command the bottom of the zone with his first pitch. He can't throw his splitter for a strike so he's throwing first pitch fastballs to almost everyone.
Trumbo, Kendrick and Izturis all went after the first pitch. He threw an intentional ball to Calhoun and Trout took a ball. Aybar bunted. Only Callaspo looked at a 1st pitch strike.
And so it goes every time he takes the mound.
He's meat until he can throw a bender for a 1st pitch strike. Proving that point with the game on the line is pretty bad strategy.
Capps? What else does he have to prove? Ditto for Pryor? The only thing that makes sense if you keep them down much longer is that they don't come up until mid-May NEXT year.
And Doc has argued for Walker now much more efficiently than I can. That's not really a bullpen issue, so I'll drop it.
But last night, Wedge had any number of choices. Saying otherwise insults us guys.
If we get a "Wedge is my guy!" public statement from Z, take it as a sign that the All-Star break remains a good over-under date.
Moe

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And he may be starting to do it to the Mariners too. When your closer blows 3 saves in his last 5 chances to single-handedly drop you into the cellar, it hurts. It's not like his other saves have been rock-solid either.
He's already walked more guys this year than he did all of last year. If he's wild, he's useless, because he certainly doesn't strike guys out.
I understand that League's formerly-shiny ERA (aka before this week) makes it hard to take Wilhelmsen's mid-4s ERA and promote him over Brandon. But they've both given up the same percentage of runs now, and Wilhelmsen has far and away the better stuff, certainly at the moment.
We can't keep doing this with League. I understand we want him as a trade chip in July but we're trying to win games now. Right? It's not luck or chance that's causing Brandon to be hit around, it's that he cannot execute his pitches and is being legitimately beaten as the inferior pitcher.
Stephen Pryor has given up as many runs ON THE YEAR as League did last night.
Carter Capps hasn't been scored on in May, and has a 14K/0 BB line for the month.
Something's gotta give.
~G

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Larry LaRue ‏@LarryLaRue
Plan is to get him back closing. After that, depends upon market. RT@aaront5: @LarryLaRue is the plan to still eventually try to trade him?

Larry LaRue ‏@LarryLaRue
#Mariners say League is out as closer for now, and will close by committee for awhile. Read more: http://bit.ly/5UKq0I
 

Larry LaRue ‏@LarryLaRue
#Mariners pull closer Brandon League back, will have other pitchers work the 9th inning for now. League has blown 4 of 13 save opps

 
We all seem to get rather angry at Wedge, who ends up making the moves we wanted him to make anyway.  The clubhouse, like other fortune 500 type places, requires a certain ettiquite be followed.  Put simply: rookies need to play their way into a roll and veterans need to play themselves out.  But what have we seen this year?  Ichiro was dropped from the leadoff spot, Figgins was relegated to utility duty, Olivio's gone from playing everyday to sharing his roll with Jaso and Montero, and now, League's played himself out of the closer roll. 
Keep calm, carry on, and let's win some ball games.
- Ben.

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That was exactly the vibe I got from his quotes last night ... that this call is made above his pay grade.  
At BJOL there's been some discussion of the Papelbon situation in Boston - a situation to which James is close, of course - and we were told that Papelbon wouldn't have been removed as closer no matter WHAT.
"We're not going to make a decision the same day of the ballgame" is straight out of the Chuck Knox playbook, too.
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The org wants to win worse than we do, but the "make 'em earn it" mantra has shot them in the foot on Capps and Pryor.  IMHO.

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My guess is that a demotion from closer wouldn't actually hurt League's trade value that much.
It says here that with Gil Meche, there were about 15 teams that realized if he changed his pitch mix and tweaked his mechanics, they'd have a big sleeper.
I think in this case there are about 25 teams that realize that Brandon League is a pitch-selection change away from being a big time closer.  Probably they have his mechanics spied out, too.
The guy throws 97, has a Sasaki split and he's five days away from being a star.  I tell ya, that's how teams will see him.  I'm tellin' ya :- )

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Happens all the time ... we rant and rave about Figgy and a week later, the MLB(TM) code allows them to pull the trigger on the obvious...
Don' sweat it Ben... they know that our role is to pound our spoons and that their role is to turn the ship according to the star charts... this is a baseball chat, not an audit filing...

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The same rational that assumes there will be a market for Figgins just as soon as he has a 2 'fer 3 game, so we keep him and not Wells.

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Chat: 8/30/15 9:20am
Interests: International Baseball (214407)
Experience, by SABR Matt

Mather has mentioned that he wants someone with GM experience. That's all fine and good, but for me I'd prefer if they had experience in a winning organization. Someone who came up through the ranks, or spent significant time in a winning culture. Not someone who worked for the Rockies...Show more.

Experience, by SABR Matt

Mather has mentioned that he wants someone with GM experience. That's all fine and good, but for me I'd prefer if they had experience in a winning organization. Someone who came up through the ranks, or spent significant time in a winning culture. Not someone who worked for the Rockies / Padres / Diamondbacks for years. How would they know what it takes to win?

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2015-09-01 16:42

I like Zych, actually...great AAA numbers based on an interesting pitch mix...possible sleeper?

2015-09-01 13:46

Thanks Griz. I highly approve of Romero and O'Malley getting shots. I love the versatility of O'Malley: Plays everywhere and brings a vL bat that is .330-.387-.450 this year and .340-.398-.489 last year. He can play on my team any day. A Bloomquist (versatility) with a decent bat.

2015-09-01 12:55

I still get excited for Elias starts.. am I alone? Really love his repetoire of pitches. When he is on he is on. Hopefully a better game in store from that last one. Think it was good for him overall coming back from Tacoma getting his feet wet. Hope he has a good game/ and can contribute in future

Reply - mickiholley - 9/1/15 1:19pm
Elias is fun to watch...when he is on his game. I think he will be steady.
2015-09-01 12:29

@shannondrayer: First wave of callups are here. Romero, O'Malley, Jose Ramirez and Tony Zych all in #Houston.

2015-09-01 10:46

Blash and yesterday's huge opposite field dinger: http://www.milb.com/...

Kivlehan is quick and simple to the ball: http://www.milb.com/...

Reply - Browns8625 - 9/1/15 12:39pm
Love that opposite field power
2015-09-01 10:35

That's where I am, Matt. He is significantly improved this year in terms of BA. He's hit a heck of a lot of homers in not very many AB's. He K's like Gorman Thomas in the majors, but Thomas only K'ed on 20% of his AAA AB's....not 33%! Thomas was .225-.324-.448 over his MLB years. OPS+ of 114. He hit .241 at AA but .291 in AAA (#Sacramento). Hit below .200 his 1st two significant years in the bigs. Then Thomas figured it out a bit. He was 27 before he was very successful. And that was after another full year stint in the PCL (after two years in the bigs). Blash doesn't have that kind of MiLB pedigree....but this year indicates some sort of plateau leap. Well, maybe. He's a bit of a long shot, But if he can hit .240 he's will be a finie player. Thomas has 4 seasons above .240 (.246, .244, .259, .245) in those seasons his OPS+ was 142, 138, 146 & 137. Thomas didn't really walk more in the minors that Blash has. At .240 Blash is a player, regardless of the K's. But .240 will be tough for him to hit, based on his large AAA K rate which is still above 30% even in this "plateau" year. He may not make contact often enough. Kingman was a productive player when he was north of .235, even early in his career. He was above .260 4 times and in those seasons he was a tremendous hitter. But he Ked in only about 25% of his AAA AB's. The TTO guy can be productive. Trumbo never has walked enough to be a true TTO (55 pts in AA/AAA & 50 pts in MLB) but he is a "similar" guy. When he's in the .240 range he's decently productive. However he only K'ed in about 24% of his AAA AB's. Blash is over the line, K-wise, but way over the line, in a good way, BB-wise. As such, he's a guy that will get a chance.

2015-09-01 09:05

K rate dooms almost everyone when north of 25% in the minors. I said ALMOST everyone. Decent walk rate says something a bit different...he merits a real look.

Reply - Browns8625 - 9/1/15 12:56pm
K rates food teams more than given credit for
2015-09-01 07:05

That's PA's....not (A's

2015-09-01 07:02

BTW (again): Down on the farm, Zunino is 7-12 in 3 games w/3 HR's. He likes AAA pitching! Blash has hit 32 HR's in 403 AA/AAA AB's this year. He's also walked 61 times (100 pts worth!!). But he's struck out 122 times in those 403 AB's. 22 of those HR's have come in his 194 AAA AB's. Wow!! He's a TTO guy. In 225 AAA (A's this year, he's HR-BB-K'ed 112 times....50%) He'll get a #Seattle look-see this year. The whiff rate will be scary (33% over his AAA career = what in the bigs?) but he can certainly ride the ball. Were he a .240-.320 guy with 30+ HR's he would be quite interesting. But, oh my, the K's!

2015-09-01 06:46

Endy Chavez's career vL OPS is .638. He hasn't been a MLB starter in decades, it seems. If you had a ++ bat at SS, like Tulo or classic Jeter (especially if they were a RHB), you could run Miller out there vL. But without some Miller improvement in that category it is unlikely that you use him without a platoon partner. We were using him with a partner at SS, remember. BTW: Marte is 1-17 over the last 4 games. Has anybody noticed if he is being pitched to differently? Has the league adjusted? No BB's in 3 of those games.

2015-09-01 06:25

More depth for LA to make a push. Rugg can play anywhere in outfield. I know Puig has been battling hammy issues.

2015-09-01 05:22

Mariners sell off Ruggiano for cash...

2015-08-31 20:08

agreed...no reason to change managers at this point...we're not contending...why have an interim situation now? Only reason would be if you were going to hire your long-term replacement...no one good is presently available for that job. Might as well just play out the string.

2015-08-31 20:05

I agree with Grizz, Lloyd will be around till the end of the season...Jewett would be no help at all.

2015-08-31 19:47

Grizz...SS hits considerably worse than CF historically.

2015-08-31 17:41

I'm curious why that split would be acceptable at SS but not CF. They are both defense-first positions.

2015-08-31 17:20

In 311 MLB vL PA's, Miller is a .216-.261-.293 with 2 HR's. He better be a GG-type CF glove if he's getting all the vL CF starts. You can support that type of split at SS (because he hits RHP) but it is much harder to do it in CF. He'll likely get some platoon-ish help out there. Could be Taylor with Marte moving to CF, could be Kivlehan. I'm not betting on Landry or us using Jones much. Miller's throwing error the other night may have impacted #Kingston, who I would bet had a conversation with Lloyd.

2015-08-31 16:22

Definately no upside at this point..this is true perhaps..just surprised it didn't happen already I guess. When you got a team picked by some to go all the way, and you are 10 under most all the year, its hard to stick around. Un-inspiring #Baseball, errors o plenty, keeping around a clearly ineffective Rodney, and getting 0 at the plate. Surely not all his fault, but some things are starting to unravel up top. Wonder how involved he has been in all these moves recently.

2015-08-31 15:33

Lloyd is going to last until the end of the year. What is the alternative at this point in the season? Jewett? No upgrade there.

2015-08-31 15:26

Things really really heating up since the Rodney move.. I am beginning to think Lloyd is not getting to the end of the year.

2015-08-31 15:20

#Jackson to the Cubs for PTBNL, their last #International slot, and $211k

2015-08-31 15:16

That will be interesting. Maybe he has an #Austin #Jackson trade worked out.

2015-08-31 15:16

@GregJohnsMLB: #Austin #Jackson traded to Cubs for player to be named and possible #International slot.

2015-08-31 15:14

#Kingston isn't wasting time putting his stamp on things. @RyanDivish: #Kingston said that Miller will play CF for much of the rest of the season. Believes it's his best fit for the organization

2015-08-31 13:25

of the guys with GM experience who are currently unemployed, I like Cherington the best given what he was able to do in building up the Red Sox' farm system. But...even that is still not the best option

Reply - mojician - 8/31/15 1:39pm
What do you think about fried chicken gate and other Red Sox scandals during the Cherington regime? If they fired Z for "lack of leadership" whatever that means. Cherington might have the same rep.
Reply - Browns8625 - 8/31/15 3:23pm
I think they are more interested in who is going to make current roster work out plus additions. Farm certainly needs help, but window for Felix cano etc is shutting.
2015-08-31 13:23

Yeah, there is a glimmer of hope for a Girsch, a Forst, a Coppolella or a McLeod...but only a glimmer. I'm not sure that those organizations will grant permission to interview before the end of the season and Mather seems to want the hire to be made ASAP. We can hope.

Reply - Browns8625 - 8/31/15 3:24pm
Yes, I think Mather said he wanted whomever in office by oct
2015-08-31 13:01

Really enjoying the increase of seahawks coverage

Reply - crackerjack - 8/31/15 1:15pm
I love jemanji's style of commentary.
2015-08-31 12:34

Heck, I'd take an intern from the Cards over Ken Williams... Kidding. Mostly.

Reply - crackerjack - 8/31/15 1:15pm
Who said that? haha
2015-08-31 10:48

agreed...if I thought we'd have a shot at him...I'd be all for it...he would be able to tell the Mariners what they're doing wrong in player development

2015-08-31 10:45

I'll say this for the Cards (and anybody significant in that system), they are likely the best run sports franchise in America. I know notheng in particular about Girsch, but I'm not opposed to some of that Cardinal stuff rubbing off here.

Reply - jemanji - 8/31/15 3:10pm
As you say that, now we know why other NFL teams help themselves to the Seahawks' staff with both hands :- )
2015-08-31 09:46

Hm...perhaps not quite as cut and dried as the requotes I've seen...gives me a glimmer of hope...but just a glimmer...I'm 99% sure it's going to be someone like Ben Cherrington, Ken Williams, DiPoto...

alas.

2015-08-31 09:22

Mather's exact quote:

“I would lean toward an experienced general manager or an assistant general manager that’s had a heavy hand in the operation,” he said. “I don’t want to hire someone that’s going to learn on the job for the next two or three years. That is a candidate that I’m not interested.”

2015-08-31 09:22

Wow, never heard of Girsch before. I'm sold! One thing I'd like to see the Mariners talk about - they are located in the best tech market outside of Silicon Valley. It'd be great to hire someone who could pitch the city's software engineers on creating a world class statical analysis department.

2015-08-31 09:09

Zero chance for Girsch...they point-blank said they want a guy with GM experience.

2015-08-31 08:57

This is why I am hoping for Girsch. http://www.fangraphs...

2015-08-31 08:45

Wanting a GM in place before the end of the regular season certainly takes some guys off the table. The hot assistant GM's will need club permission to interview in-season. If the only guys Mather can get are those currently unemployed, I'm not enthused.

2015-08-31 07:11

Yeah can't imagine McCleod leaves Chi-town before the Cubs make the playoffs...

2015-08-31 05:07

I'd love to get McLeod...the question, though, is whether he's available immediately. The Mariners have said they want to hire someone before the post-season.

2015-08-31 03:37

There's a lot of confusing things about the layout and general design of this site.

2015-08-30 19:57

Why does the snippet above say "Experience, by GLS"? I didn't write that.

2015-08-30 19:04

From what I've read, Jason McLeod seems like the best choice. But what do I know?

2015-08-30 17:22

Doesn't DiPoto have a reputation for being good at identifying and developing pitchers but poor at identifying and developing hitters?

Reply - Browns8625 - 8/31/15 4:27pm
That's why we got The Edgar for.. :)
2015-08-30 16:41

I'm in favor of Jerry DiPoto as the new GM. He switches his teams up until it works. He does not let rookies flounder for months while they figure it out. Also, he has been micromanaged worse than they do in #Seattle.

2015-08-30 15:15

Hamstring, Moe.

2015-08-30 15:14

23 games lost on the opposition's last at bat. Craziness.

2015-08-30 13:46

What is the Marte injury report?

2015-08-30 11:13

@shannondrayer: #Montgomery down, Guaipe up. #Montgomery close to innings limit and M's need another RHR today. Wilhelmsen & Kensing most likely not available

Reply - Browns8625 - 8/31/15 4:26pm
Starting to give the edge to pitching in the overall worst luck this season. Hitting has been awful, but between injuries and awful pen..
2015-08-30 10:46

I'm a little confused. Why would we start a conversation, pushing the previous conversation off the main page, if we had nothing ot substance to post other than saying we're starting a (new) conversation?

This is not really aimed at you, okdan. I've noticed the admins do this as well. I'm just curious about the perceived purpose in doing it.

Reply - anonymous - 8/30/15 12:06pm
Hey DaddyO - I'm not sure what happened here. I thought I was just posting a couple of regular shouts. The normal interface was gone, and I just typed into the box that popped up... I was hoping the weirdness that I saw was just for me, but it appears that's not the case! Didn't mean to push everything out. No idea what happened...
Reply - DaddyO - 8/30/15 5:43pm
Ah, got it. Thanks for the explanation. Like I said, my comments were directed not so much to you as to the phenomenon. At least now we know it happens sometimes when the poster does not intend it.
Reply - mickiholley - 9/1/15 2:45pm
the interface seems to be a little touchy lately...don't know if it is just my computer or what but I keep getting script errors and then screen full of code and I have to back out of the wall and then come back in.
2015-08-30 09:20

Starting a conversation...

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