Spectator's Top 40 up and runnin'


Spectator's top 10 is more info-taining than many a top 10 we've seen from "celebrity" sources.  Wish there were some way to disseminate it nationally.  Ah well - it's only a matter of time  :- )


Spec pointed out earlier that being in AA at 19 portends impact in the majors.  In this article he did a survey of the 13 such pitchers since 2000, and found that about half (including Felix and Greinke) have already become ML stars.  

So what to say about a 19-year-old pitcher ... the only such who is IN double-A this year ... who is likely the best pitcher in AA as well?

Taijuan is officially a Felix-level prospect.  On my board.  At age 19, tell me how Felix' future was any brighter than Taijuan's is now.


The Liddi-Catricala-Franklin relative rankings show an admirable lack of attention to the last six weeks.  You can't be impulsive and do a decent top 40.

At Prospect Insider, they float the idea that the Mariners might consider shedding Franklin's right hand bat after all.  Dr. D certainly hopes so.  In his view, Franklin going all-lefty is a slam dunk.  Here is the reason why.


Great stuff all the way through Spec, but especially enjoyed your giving the nod to Capps over Pryor :- )

You've got high-90's pitchers who both throw strikes.  As Spec aptly notes, the grades on the ammy drafting are helium-ing to loftier and loftier heights by the week.  Meanwhile, as Capps and Pryor outpitch most of the relievers in the major leagues, our fearless Mariners leaders tell us that League's got to close.  Nothin' we can do.

If one of those two guys had to go in a trade tomorrow, and we could pick which one to keep, which would you push at the other team and which would you keep your hooks into?

Think I'd plump for Capps.  But that's pretty much sight-unseen.


Dr D



Spec pointed out earlier that being in AA at 19 portends impact in the majors.
Especially when said pitcher probably could actually be in the Majors right now.

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I don't like putting anyone in the Felix category as a prospect because Felix had 5 plus pitches at 18. He's a once in a generation talent.
Tajuan Walker is good, but he doesn't belong in the Felix mold.


It's not just Taijuan Walker who is setting himself up for quite the career. Franklin performing this well at 21 in AA is pretty special too.
In the top-20 hitters in the Southern League (per B-R) there are two batters under the age of 23: Nick Franklin and Matt Davidson. Both infielders, both 21. Matt is a 3B (and a fellow top-100 prospect). Matt’s year is built on walks and crazy power, but he looks like a power hitter who needs work with a glove not to get moved to 1B. I’d still like to have him. Very Liddi-esque.
But if Franklin can’t stay at SS he still stays in the middle of the diamond at 2B. He’s got a good arm. The Mariners are gonna give him every opportunity to play shortstop and he’s getting better. I don’t think he’ll finish his time in AA at the .340/.407/.535 he’s at now, but he’s skimming along in rare air right now.
Players on the top-20 OPS leaderboard in AA at 21 or younger (140 AB minimum):
Southern – none
Eastern - none
Texas – Mike Trout (age 19!), Jose Altuve (150 PAs). Both are in the bigs now.
Southern – Brett Jackson and Alex Liddi. Liddi’s a pro and Jackson will be soon.
Eastern – none
Texas – Hosmer & Moustakas (bigs in summer 2011), Wilin Rosario (bigs Sep 2011)
Southern – Heyward (age 19!), Logan Morrison (bigs summer 2010)
Eastern – Montero (age 19!)
Texas – Adrian Cardenas (bigs 2012)
Southern – Michael Saunders (T-19)
Eastern – Pablo Sandoval (round mound of pound!)
Texas – Kyle Blanks
21 or under is tough to do, especially as a MIF. It’s pretty tough at 22, which is why Catricala impressed last year and his early self-immolation has been so disappointing. Nick Franklin is currently outperforming everyone on that list relative to league, is one of the most confident players you’ll see this side of Bryce Harper, and he’s got game to back that swagger.
He’s also been delayed half a year by taking a bat to the face, and actually debuted in AA at 20.
But based off that list of 21-and-under hitters, and looking at the number of immediate or anticipated successes, you should feel pretty good about Franklin and his current hitting prowess in AA. Looking forward to seeing it continue the rest of his time there.

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Chat: 8/30/15 9:20am
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Experience, by SABR Matt

Mather has mentioned that he wants someone with GM experience. That's all fine and good, but for me I'd prefer if they had experience in a winning organization. Someone who came up through the ranks, or spent significant time in a winning culture. Not someone who worked for the Rockies...Show more.

Experience, by SABR Matt

Mather has mentioned that he wants someone with GM experience. That's all fine and good, but for me I'd prefer if they had experience in a winning organization. Someone who came up through the ranks, or spent significant time in a winning culture. Not someone who worked for the Rockies / Padres / Diamondbacks for years. How would they know what it takes to win?

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2015-08-31 20:08

agreed...no reason to change managers at this point...we're not contending...why have an interim situation now? Only reason would be if you were going to hire your long-term replacement...no one good is presently available for that job. Might as well just play out the string.

2015-08-31 20:05

I agree with Grizz, Lloyd will be around till the end of the season...Jewett would be no help at all.

2015-08-31 19:47

Grizz...SS hits considerably worse than CF historically.

2015-08-31 17:41

I'm curious why that split would be acceptable at SS but not CF. They are both defense-first positions.

2015-08-31 17:20

In 311 MLB vL PA's, Miller is a .216-.261-.293 with 2 HR's. He better be a GG-type CF glove if he's getting all the vL CF starts. You can support that type of split at SS (because he hits RHP) but it is much harder to do it in CF. He'll likely get some platoon-ish help out there. Could be Taylor with Marte moving to CF, could be Kivlehan. I'm not betting on Landry or us using Jones much. Miller's throwing error the other night may have impacted #Kingston, who I would bet had a conversation with Lloyd.

2015-08-31 16:22

Definately no upside at this point..this is true perhaps..just surprised it didn't happen already I guess. When you got a team picked by some to go all the way, and you are 10 under most all the year, its hard to stick around. Un-inspiring #Baseball, errors o plenty, keeping around a clearly ineffective Rodney, and getting 0 at the plate. Surely not all his fault, but some things are starting to unravel up top. Wonder how involved he has been in all these moves recently.

2015-08-31 15:33

Lloyd is going to last until the end of the year. What is the alternative at this point in the season? Jewett? No upgrade there.

2015-08-31 15:26

Things really really heating up since the Rodney move.. I am beginning to think Lloyd is not getting to the end of the year.

2015-08-31 15:20

#Jackson to the Cubs for PTBNL, their last #International slot, and $211k

2015-08-31 15:16

That will be interesting. Maybe he has an #Austin #Jackson trade worked out.

2015-08-31 15:16

@GregJohnsMLB: #Austin #Jackson traded to Cubs for player to be named and possible #International slot.

2015-08-31 15:14

#Kingston isn't wasting time putting his stamp on things. @RyanDivish: #Kingston said that Miller will play CF for much of the rest of the season. Believes it's his best fit for the organization

2015-08-31 13:25

of the guys with GM experience who are currently unemployed, I like Cherington the best given what he was able to do in building up the Red Sox' farm system. But...even that is still not the best option

Reply - mojician - 8/31/15 1:39pm
What do you think about fried chicken gate and other Red Sox scandals during the Cherington regime? If they fired Z for "lack of leadership" whatever that means. Cherington might have the same rep.
Reply - Browns8625 - 8/31/15 3:23pm
I think they are more interested in who is going to make current roster work out plus additions. Farm certainly needs help, but window for Felix cano etc is shutting.
2015-08-31 13:23

Yeah, there is a glimmer of hope for a Girsch, a Forst, a Coppolella or a McLeod...but only a glimmer. I'm not sure that those organizations will grant permission to interview before the end of the season and Mather seems to want the hire to be made ASAP. We can hope.

Reply - Browns8625 - 8/31/15 3:24pm
Yes, I think Mather said he wanted whomever in office by oct
2015-08-31 13:01

Really enjoying the increase of seahawks coverage

Reply - crackerjack - 8/31/15 1:15pm
I love jemanji's style of commentary.
2015-08-31 12:34

Heck, I'd take an intern from the Cards over Ken Williams... Kidding. Mostly.

Reply - crackerjack - 8/31/15 1:15pm
Who said that? haha
2015-08-31 10:48

agreed...if I thought we'd have a shot at him...I'd be all for it...he would be able to tell the Mariners what they're doing wrong in player development

2015-08-31 10:45

I'll say this for the Cards (and anybody significant in that system), they are likely the best run sports franchise in America. I know notheng in particular about Girsch, but I'm not opposed to some of that Cardinal stuff rubbing off here.

Reply - jemanji - 8/31/15 3:10pm
As you say that, now we know why other NFL teams help themselves to the Seahawks' staff with both hands :- )
2015-08-31 09:46

Hm...perhaps not quite as cut and dried as the requotes I've seen...gives me a glimmer of hope...but just a glimmer...I'm 99% sure it's going to be someone like Ben Cherrington, Ken Williams, DiPoto...


2015-08-31 09:22

Mather's exact quote:

“I would lean toward an experienced general manager or an assistant general manager that’s had a heavy hand in the operation,” he said. “I don’t want to hire someone that’s going to learn on the job for the next two or three years. That is a candidate that I’m not interested.”

2015-08-31 09:22

Wow, never heard of Girsch before. I'm sold! One thing I'd like to see the Mariners talk about - they are located in the best tech market outside of Silicon Valley. It'd be great to hire someone who could pitch the city's software engineers on creating a world class statical analysis department.

2015-08-31 09:09

Zero chance for Girsch...they point-blank said they want a guy with GM experience.

2015-08-31 08:57

This is why I am hoping for Girsch. http://www.fangraphs...

2015-08-31 08:45

Wanting a GM in place before the end of the regular season certainly takes some guys off the table. The hot assistant GM's will need club permission to interview in-season. If the only guys Mather can get are those currently unemployed, I'm not enthused.

2015-08-31 07:11

Yeah can't imagine McCleod leaves Chi-town before the Cubs make the playoffs...

2015-08-31 05:07

I'd love to get McLeod...the question, though, is whether he's available immediately. The Mariners have said they want to hire someone before the post-season.

2015-08-31 03:37

There's a lot of confusing things about the layout and general design of this site.

2015-08-30 19:57

Why does the snippet above say "Experience, by GLS"? I didn't write that.

2015-08-30 19:04

From what I've read, Jason McLeod seems like the best choice. But what do I know?

2015-08-30 17:22

Doesn't DiPoto have a reputation for being good at identifying and developing pitchers but poor at identifying and developing hitters?

Reply - Browns8625 - 8/31/15 4:27pm
That's why we got The Edgar for.. :)
2015-08-30 16:41

I'm in favor of Jerry DiPoto as the new GM. He switches his teams up until it works. He does not let rookies flounder for months while they figure it out. Also, he has been micromanaged worse than they do in #Seattle.

2015-08-30 15:15

Hamstring, Moe.

2015-08-30 15:14

23 games lost on the opposition's last at bat. Craziness.

2015-08-30 13:46

What is the Marte injury report?

2015-08-30 11:13

@shannondrayer: #Montgomery down, Guaipe up. #Montgomery close to innings limit and M's need another RHR today. Wilhelmsen & Kensing most likely not available

Reply - Browns8625 - 8/31/15 4:26pm
Starting to give the edge to pitching in the overall worst luck this season. Hitting has been awful, but between injuries and awful pen..
2015-08-30 10:46

I'm a little confused. Why would we start a conversation, pushing the previous conversation off the main page, if we had nothing ot substance to post other than saying we're starting a (new) conversation?

This is not really aimed at you, okdan. I've noticed the admins do this as well. I'm just curious about the perceived purpose in doing it.

Reply - anonymous - 8/30/15 12:06pm
Hey DaddyO - I'm not sure what happened here. I thought I was just posting a couple of regular shouts. The normal interface was gone, and I just typed into the box that popped up... I was hoping the weirdness that I saw was just for me, but it appears that's not the case! Didn't mean to push everything out. No idea what happened...
Reply - DaddyO - 8/30/15 5:43pm
Ah, got it. Thanks for the explanation. Like I said, my comments were directed not so much to you as to the phenomenon. At least now we know it happens sometimes when the poster does not intend it.
2015-08-30 09:20

Starting a conversation...