Stephen Pryor Scouting Report 6.2.12 - Physical Attributes

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=== Core Exercises, Dept. ===

The M's being obsessed with core strength and whatnot, you'd think they'd be giddy over stumbling into baseball's Ultimate Core Specimen with Stephen Pryor.  Oh, wait.  Maybe Jay-Z and Tommie Mac drafted Pyror BECAUSE he's got the core power of a Van Helsing monster?

Pryor is not fat, but his waist and abdomen are almost freakishly wide.  Would be nice to hear Gordon or Dr. Grumpy or somebody explain what is occurring when a male is wider than he is tall.  Is this an over-development of obliques, or is it a wide pelvis, or are all the organs proportionately larger, or what happens when a person has a shape like Pryor's?

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=== Horsepower, Dept. ===

Pryor looks scary, as much as he throws scary.  Pryor was visibly hyperventilating when Wedge threw him into the fire on June 2, but after one pitch it was (we kid you not) the Chicago White Sox who were frightened.  A single invisible 100-MPH from this Van Helsing monster, and Paul Konerko had his eyebrows up, blinking fast, mouth open, jittery hands, every aspect of his expression radiating genuine alarm.

That was the way with each White Sox hitter following.  Even Viciedo, early in the at-bat, radiated panic.  Pryor did him a favor and dialed it down to 88 MPH, but the effect was palpable.

This is going to sound funny, but even around the locker room it will take some doing for Pryor to truly fit in.  You're in a closed space with somebody like that, you've got to figure out a comfort zone.  That dude is seriously unnerving.

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The Seattle Seahawks won the NFL championship in 2005, but ..... long before that, the milestone was passed at which nobody in the NFL wanted to play the Seahawks.  

In 2004 and during the reg season of 2005, you knew that your right defensive end was going to be engulfed and emasculated by Walter Jones - whoever your right end was.  You knew that Steve Hutchison was going to hurt somebody on your team, maybe a few people, maybe a lot of people.  You knew that the Seahawks were going to throw for 250 yards and were going to run for first downs whenever they felt like it.

Long before a Mariners team wins a championship, you're going to feel like you want the Yankees in here to take their medicine.

Stephen Pryor is going to be part of that.  Y'feel me?

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=== Durability ===

Pryor has a Clemens-, Gossage-like ability to drive a fastball from his keister first.  This of course takes the pressure off his arm; Clemens and Gossage (among many others) threw effortlessly until they were 40 years old.

Ordinarily you'd think, put him in the rotation and let him throw his 250 innings per.

In Pryor's specific case, though, there is a point of accelerated returns once the fastball hits 97, 98, 99 MPH.  If you let him go one (1) inning, tell him to get in there and throw 15 pitches at 99 miles an hour, you've got a superstar.

The M's can exploit Pryor's natural power, but they may want to exploit it by letting him throw 90 innings per year for 15-20 years.  All pretty much one inning, or 1.1 innings, at a time.

Looks like a Longoria-Moore contract candidate to Dr. D.

 

 

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moethedogModern coaches would probably try to fix M. Ott or S. Oh!16 hours 45 min ago
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SABR MattMcClendon's impulse to get Smoak to hit the opposite way and get on top of the ball was, (assuming this analysis is correct) the right thing to instruct. Smoak wanted to be a power hitter though. A power hitter's brain with a contact hitter's actual power because his swing was greedy and mechanically flawed.18 hours 42 min ago
SABR MattJust had an interesting discussion with a hitting instructor who used to intern with the Yankees the year I was there about Smoak. He thinks the Mariners fouled up Smoak's swing mechanics. He sees in Smoak's vids, a guy who starts the bat head too low in the zone and whose swing is too wristy, meaning when he wants to hit for power (gets a cookie pitch), he is going to have to swing up at the ball and the barrell will be at both an upper-cutting and a hinged (pullside) angle. If he squares it up with that funky contact plane, the ball will be a very high fly ball (subject to warning track outs)...and if he gets funny contact, he will ground out to the pull side. Hey...remind me again...what were Smoak's main out types? When he looked at scouting vids of early Smoak...he didn't start the bat head too low and his swing was way less wristy.18 hours 43 min ago
Bat571I suspect the Ms let Blake walk, though. If he's smart, he'll run to the D'backs and sign for whatever to get a chance to work with Dave Duncan. He's the classic Duncan project - big RH that doesn't overpower people and needs to learn how to pitch.1 day 12 hours ago
Bat571Griz - I think Blake Beavan is still in the org. He was outrighted to Tacoma in August, and can become a free agent if not put back on the 40-man by a date that's pretty soon or signed to a new minor league deal, but the Ms still have a shred of the return left.1 day 12 hours ago
DaddyOThis has nothing to do with current conversations, but I sure like Joe Panik. Not just his stats, but the way he plays the game. This guy is going to be a fixture for a LONG time.1 day 14 hours ago
misterjonezLove to see the decision made on Smoak. The M's seriously need to re-evaluate their offensive development program, but when it's time to cut bait it's time to cut bait. LoMo looks like a better bet, and neither one projects as a world beater. Here's hoping Smoak can turn into Adam Lind in Toronto; I wish him well.1 day 15 hours ago
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MtGrizzlyAll of the guys that came to Seattle in the Cliff Lee trade are now gone from the org.1 day 15 hours ago
SABR Mattand at least one of those catchers that did make the final three isn't even major league average defensively...I'll let you guys figure out which one. :)1 day 17 hours ago
mojicianSpeaking of rigged, what about Zunino's gold glove nomination? He caught the filthiest pitching staff in the American league, he cheated and stole caught strikes on a grand scale with his pitch framing, and then there are the tangibles: His AL Rankings: Second in catchers ERA, Fifth in baserunners nabbed, Third in fielding percentage, sixth in passed balls despite catching the magic changeup, the shuuto, and the Pax Curvanus, Second in games played. It is hard to come up with any measure of a catcher that Zunino isn't near the top of the leaderboard.1 day 17 hours ago
mojicianWhat about DJ making the AFL all star game with his .641 OPS and Kivlehan snubbed with his .913 OPS? This seems rigged.1 day 18 hours ago
mojicianSmoak's gone? Heh. That was a long and painful relationship. I hope he does well.1 day 19 hours ago
moethedogI always felt he belonged in the NL.1 day 19 hours ago
DaddyOSo the promise of Smoak in Seattle disappears. What we hoped to be fire turned out to be water vapor.1 day 20 hours ago
SABR MattSo..What would you give up to get Adam Lind?1 day 20 hours ago