Stephen Pryor Scouting Report 6.2.12 - Physical Attributes

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=== Core Exercises, Dept. ===

The M's being obsessed with core strength and whatnot, you'd think they'd be giddy over stumbling into baseball's Ultimate Core Specimen with Stephen Pryor.  Oh, wait.  Maybe Jay-Z and Tommie Mac drafted Pyror BECAUSE he's got the core power of a Van Helsing monster?

Pryor is not fat, but his waist and abdomen are almost freakishly wide.  Would be nice to hear Gordon or Dr. Grumpy or somebody explain what is occurring when a male is wider than he is tall.  Is this an over-development of obliques, or is it a wide pelvis, or are all the organs proportionately larger, or what happens when a person has a shape like Pryor's?

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=== Horsepower, Dept. ===

Pryor looks scary, as much as he throws scary.  Pryor was visibly hyperventilating when Wedge threw him into the fire on June 2, but after one pitch it was (we kid you not) the Chicago White Sox who were frightened.  A single invisible 100-MPH from this Van Helsing monster, and Paul Konerko had his eyebrows up, blinking fast, mouth open, jittery hands, every aspect of his expression radiating genuine alarm.

That was the way with each White Sox hitter following.  Even Viciedo, early in the at-bat, radiated panic.  Pryor did him a favor and dialed it down to 88 MPH, but the effect was palpable.

This is going to sound funny, but even around the locker room it will take some doing for Pryor to truly fit in.  You're in a closed space with somebody like that, you've got to figure out a comfort zone.  That dude is seriously unnerving.

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The Seattle Seahawks won the NFL championship in 2005, but ..... long before that, the milestone was passed at which nobody in the NFL wanted to play the Seahawks.  

In 2004 and during the reg season of 2005, you knew that your right defensive end was going to be engulfed and emasculated by Walter Jones - whoever your right end was.  You knew that Steve Hutchison was going to hurt somebody on your team, maybe a few people, maybe a lot of people.  You knew that the Seahawks were going to throw for 250 yards and were going to run for first downs whenever they felt like it.

Long before a Mariners team wins a championship, you're going to feel like you want the Yankees in here to take their medicine.

Stephen Pryor is going to be part of that.  Y'feel me?

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=== Durability ===

Pryor has a Clemens-, Gossage-like ability to drive a fastball from his keister first.  This of course takes the pressure off his arm; Clemens and Gossage (among many others) threw effortlessly until they were 40 years old.

Ordinarily you'd think, put him in the rotation and let him throw his 250 innings per.

In Pryor's specific case, though, there is a point of accelerated returns once the fastball hits 97, 98, 99 MPH.  If you let him go one (1) inning, tell him to get in there and throw 15 pitches at 99 miles an hour, you've got a superstar.

The M's can exploit Pryor's natural power, but they may want to exploit it by letting him throw 90 innings per year for 15-20 years.  All pretty much one inning, or 1.1 innings, at a time.

Looks like a Longoria-Moore contract candidate to Dr. D.

 

 

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TaroMontero's 2011 line in AAA for example was projected for a .261/.312/.435 line by ZIPS. He basically hasn't improved at all since then. Given his career line is .258/.302/.396 thats pretty close regressing for Safeco.3 hours 2 min ago
TaroBasically Montero was all projection, whereas Souza is good NOW with projection beyond that.3 hours 11 min ago
TaroI was huge on Montero's potential, and I was wrong. But to be fair Montero never put up the MLEs that Souza did. Souza projects as a 2-3 WAR player NOW based on what he did in AAA. Montero never did, he was incredible based on age related performance at his level and had massive power upside. But he never performed as well as Souza. His MLEs were in the 0-1 WAR range and he just never got better from there. Souza RIGHT NOW is above-average player. Montero never was.3 hours 13 min ago
moethedogI'm with Matt: Rios and Rasmus would be delightful! I'm with Taro: Souza will indeed be a player. But you could probably get both Rios and Rasmus for what Melky will cost per/year. 2X$8-$10M (with an option year) for Rasmus and something similar for Rios. Or just do Rasmus AND Souza, making all or us happy. You can get Souza fairly easily and sign Rasmus and have money to spend. Souza, btw, plays 1B, too. LoMo will need some breathers.3 hours 42 min ago
SABR MattHow much did you love Jesus Montero before we traded for him?3 hours 54 min ago
TaroJust think Souza is a player. I like his combination of athleticism, swing, and performance.4 hours 16 min ago
SABR MattRomero, Montero, Smoak, Peguero, Balentien, Clement...so...so many more. So many you won't possibly remember them all. And all but a scant tiny fraction of them have panned out. And that is not unique to the Mariners. There is a massive zero gravity moon step difference between an awesome AAA hitter and a proven major leaguer. All players have risks...but some are less risky than others. And for the record, Cruz's home run power transcends Safeco rather easily...and his hitter's park in Baltimore...has a mediocre at best HR factor to left. So...yeah...not worried about Cruz.4 hours 59 min ago
SABR MattTaro...love your insights and all...but how many guys have we promoted in the last 12 years who had great minor league numbers?5 hours 1 min ago
TaroEvery player you roster has some risk involved, included proven MLBers. Cruz will be a RH backspin 35 year old slugger with a career sub .330 OBP in hitters parks, and we've signed him for 4 years. I'd be more nervous about him than Souza in 2015, and especially beyond that. Souza has the performance in the high minors combined with insane athleticism. I think hes underrated due to being a football convert and a late bloomer.5 hours 11 min ago
SABR Mattyou don't take that sort of risk when this is the best chance you have of winning the WS. Souza can be a fourth outfielder option...not a starter.5 hours 34 min ago
GLSSouza is a risk, but a pretty good one.5 hours 37 min ago
SABR MattSouza is not reliable. That's not sufficient to this moment.5 hours 51 min ago
TaroI'm thinking Melky would want 'at least' 4 years gauranteed if hes looking for 5. If Ms stay hard at 3 they won't land him, vesting option for 4th or not. Just give him 5 with a lower AAV. 5/$55 or something in that range. Or deal for Souza (my favorite option).6 hours 23 min ago
SABR MattRasmus and Rios would be a fine platoon with CF helper potential and would be cheaper than Cabrera. I like Cabrera better even with more money involved, but Rios/Rasmus would also be fine with me.6 hours 29 min ago
Gordon GrossRios and Rasmus would be... extensive. By himself I'm not huge on Rios. A Rios/Rasmus platoon would be damaging. Playing with brass knuckles. I hope the Ms take the velvet gloves fully off this offseason. Zduriencik has waited half a decade to wade into the fight with fists flying - let's make it worth the wait. I'm fine with making Beane cry into his collapsing-budget cup o' coffee.6 hours 32 min ago
SABR MattRasmus. If you get Rios and Rasmus, the outfield aligns OK7 hours 9 min ago
moethedogThe Rios card might not bluff the Melky team guys: In '12 Rios was a heck of a player. In '11 he was a dud. In '13 and '14 he was basically a split heavy .280-.320-.420 guy with a pretty scraggly glove. There doesn't seem to be much Rios market out there right now, which might be a neat quality. You could probably get him for 2 years and not break the bank. Over the last two years Viciedo has hit RHP at a .738 and .689 clip. Rios has hit at .714 and .646 rate. Just saying. But he does continue to beat lefties up, so as a 4th OF-paired with Ackley, as Matt suggests, Rios would be great. He's been at .889 and .898 vL the last two years. That's rip-roaring. But it means that you need a RF who can play CF, as Rios no longer does.8 hours 7 min ago
moethedogRios and Miller would be a neat combo, perhaps. If the hint that we had interest in Seth Smith is true that might also be a place to go. Smith and Rios would be an interesting tandem. But you're still a CF short. Smith is what you hope Ackley becomes. And he's cheap for 3 years. But unless it's Jones, Miller or Endy...we need a CF glove to go with the one we've got. Bloomie? No thanks...8 hours 7 min ago
SABR MattWouldn't mind also getting Rios to pair with Ackley10 hours 5 min ago
jemanjiYep that 5.7 RC/27, delivered game-in game-out, is looking pretty sweet. Good Kendrys plus wheels10 hours 5 min ago