SSI on the Value of Spring Training Performance

Sorry. It ain't zero.

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Q.  Can you make any sense of spring training statistics?

A.  Different stats have different levels of "noise" in them.  Ichiro's career batting average has noise in it, but it's about 2%, not counting park context.  Ichiro's career range factor has noise in it, too, but the noise is something more like (?) 30%.

Baseball sabermetricians are really cruddy at estimating the AMOUNT OF noise in a particular statistic.  A sense of proportion is almost completely lacking in the industry.  Sabermigos are great at math; they're not so great at common sense.

We mean it in a good way.

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Q.  How much noise is in there in spring training stats?

A.  Oh ... what would it be?  60%?  Something like that.  

One of the few sabermigos who does have a sense of proportion:  Jeff Sullivan.  Read this article by him.  He points out various [huge] sources of noise in ST stats.

It is very, very challenging to make sense of a phenomenon when your metrics are diluted with 60% noise.  When you've got 60%, 70% noise, and you run a "study" (sic!) asking about the value of the stats, your study is going to suggest NO value to the metric unless you know how to design it.  

But I'll guarantee you that there is some "study" that will show the phenomenon being reflected at some level of consistency.  Give me all of the home run leaders in Arizona, past twenty years -- even first-week leaders -- and I'll guarantee that their presence is reflected in MLB regular-season slugging leaderboards, at some level of confidence.  It might be only a .20 correlation, but there will be a correlation.  Which is the same thing as saying that ST stats are not worth zero.

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Q.  SSI thinks that spring performance is worth something?  How much?

A.  Not much, usually.  In a few cases it becomes critical.  

Kendrys Morales might be just tinkering.  Felix' results are unimportant, unless he walks a guy per inning.

Jason Bay vs Casper Wells is going to be important; both guys are playing for a job and both guys are out there competing.  Jon Garland and Jeremy Bonderman are going to be competing.

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The 2nd-worst thing you can do with such metrics is to assume that the noise is small - and to treat the metrics as though they are reliable with no further thought.  Many casual fans do this.  

I doubt any SSI or LL or USSM readers do this, and I hate to see the kind of condescension that assumes a web-literate fan to be unaware of the noise in ST stats.

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The VERY worst thing you can do is to assume that since you don't like a metric, and you don't know how to edit out the noise, and you don't know how to design a study in which correlations are found --- > then the metric must be worth ZERO.

ST stats aren't worth MUCH, in BULK.  But to imagine that every player's ST performance is irrelevant is incredibly naive.  If Jeremy Bonderman walks more guys than he strikes out, he's going home.  If he fans 20 guys and walks 2, then with the time off and re-boot, that means that he's probably going to have a good year by his own standards.

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Q.  When are MLB teams going to wake up and ...

A.  Hold on right there, Turbo.  Just. Stop.

Consider this statement, from an author who higher on the very same web page had strictly forbidden any and all "appeals to authority":

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Or, you know, you could use a projection based on more than just the last season’s data point. Which is what every good organization in baseball does.

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I'll tell you something else every good organization in baseball every organization in baseball does.  Consider. Spring. Training. Performance.

We might slow down, draw a breath, and ask a simple question.

Why does every MLB organization watch ST performance carefully?  Why do all "good" MLB organizations (at least occasionally) make roster decisions based on spring results?

Org's don't just watch tools and skills.  They also watch performance and results.  All of them do. They understand about noise, understand with 100% crystal clarity.  They're out there watching, aware that ST very often misleads you, and still factoring ST performance as one variable in the equation.

Why would that be?

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Bat571Well, it doesn't look like Bonderman is an answer.5 hours 30 min ago
moethedogGuti: O-3 Montero: 0-1 Franklin gets another hit, Tenbrink bonks a homer. That guy is growing on me. He's played 5 in games at 1B, 12 at 2B, 9 at 3B, 8 in LF, 8 in CF and 5 in RF. He's made 2 errors at 2B....that's it. 134 AB's (with another to come tonight): 5 doubles, 2 triples and 5 homers. He had 20 X-base hits in 152 AB's at AA last year. He has had 62 in 597 career AA AB's. Walks 100 pts, too. Here's your utility guy, guys. He's playing in Seattle this year. Mark it down.6 hours 3 min ago
SABR MattI would definitely agree that Triunfel's lack of exposure to other positions besides SS/2B calls into question whether the org really wants him as a UTL guy...which I find a little odd...but maybe they don't think he can hit enough. Oh wait...who's our UTL guy right now? :)6 hours 40 min ago
phxterryMoe - I am beginning to doubt if the M's Brain Trust is ever going to promote Triunfel, whose highest and best use seems to be infield utility player. If the M's were planning on making him an infield utility player in the bigs, wouldn't they be playing him some at 3B right now in Tacoma? Because for sure, the M's Brass does not envisage Triunfel as a future full-time SS in the bigs. Just my random thought.9 hours 35 min ago
phxterryPreachin to the choir, Moe, what can I say that hasn't already been said.9 hours 42 min ago
phxterryOK - matt - just my gallows humor. Glad to see that you and I agree that Wedgie is not a good enough manager to be re-signed for next year so we don't have to beat that dead horse any more.9 hours 43 min ago
moethedogIf the M's are making no positional changes in the 25-Man, per baker, then we're all in on Ryan as a SS and letting Ackley hack his way to his former self. I would think that we've decided that we can enhance Ryan's trade value by playing him every day and hoping that by the AS game somebody will need a great glove .200 hitting SS. It is highly unlikely that he is back with us next year. I think we over estimate his real baseball world value. All the same, moving Andino, sho has no real baseball workd value for Franklin still makes sense. Giving Franklin 4 starts a week at this level is much better for his development than 6 starts a week in Tacoma. You could give him two starts at SS, one at 2B and one as a DH vs. RHP without denting Ryan's trade-in value, as it were. throw in the odd 3B start for him and you would still be allowing Ackley to hack his way to health. You just might find that Franklin can mash a bit, too. Alas. Sigh. Go team.9 hours 49 min ago
SABR MattAlright Terry...take it easy man...your fun facts are about as fun as a root canal. :)10 hours 13 min ago
phxterryM's Fun Fact: July 13 is Dustin Ackley night at the Safe. Rumor has it that gift being handed out is a bat that fits perfectly on your shoulder and never moves.10 hours 14 min ago
phxterryPer Baker, no more changes to 25 man roster for now. Perhaps pitching change in a couple of days, but no changes in position players planned. So we get to enjoy the futility of Dustin Ackley & the veteran goodness that is Andino for a while longer. No signs of urgency coming from the M's Brain Trust .... I personally would be happy if I never saw Andino, Bay, Chavez & Rauuuul play in Mariner uniforms again. I'd rather watch Franklin, Triunfel, Thames, Liddi & Peguero. Let the Wookies Play!10 hours 45 min ago
moethedogThe fact that the 40-man move will be made tomorrow is interesting. If it is a straight waiver move, what will we know tomorrow that we don't know today? Martinez or Vinnie Cat or Pegs or Harang aren't morphing into something else overnight. But if we have a trade in the works, then 24 hours gives you time to ink the deal. Worth pondering......12 hours 13 min ago
Bat571I tend to agree, Spec, but with just the slight hope that Peguero's worked hard enough to turn it around. Giving it one more shot while also trying to shake things up a bit doesn't seem all that bad an idea to me. Then if he goes down (literally) swinging, it would be without regret.13 hours 21 min ago
SpectatorI, personally, don't care if C-Peg is claimed. i don't think he has major-league value. And if we need OF insurance, I like Abe Almonte. I think F.Martinez would be claimed as well, and that wouldn't break my heart, but I do think some team would grab him and stick him on their 40-man. Z might finally be ready to do that, but I don't think it's easy for him. Apparently they won't be announcing the 40-man move until tomorrow.13 hours 27 min ago
Bat571As to pitching, I think it rides on how Bonderman does tonight. Beaven has pitched better each outing since going down, so it will be either Bonderman if he shows 7-8 inning stuff, or Blake coming up to replace Harang by next Monday/Tuesday's start13 hours 28 min ago
Bat571Then if Peguero can't keep his Ks reasonable, he's had his chance and we move on - but it looks to me as if he's made a real effort to improve and ought to get a chance - and if he and Morse could get something going it would be fun to watch.13 hours 39 min ago
Bat571I'd sign Chavez to a "somewhat high" deal ($2.0mil / 2 yrs??) so that he would no longer be viewed as "free" if he were to go on waivers to go to Tacoma. He's a dandy 4th/5th OF who contributes pretty steadily, if never powerfully, and seems to like it here. He might be willing to accept assignment knowing what the score is. Then I'd try to get him through after a flurry of claims have other teams sorting out their own rosters, like right now. Then I'd call up Peguero until Guti is ready to come back. Saunders is doing fine in CF, and both Bay and Pegs could play in an emergency until Endy could come back up, but Pegs has his K% rate down to 26.4% (lower than Thames or Liddi, BTW) and we need some vitality and more thump. Peguero and Franklin for now, with Tenbrink and Romero told to keep it up and they're next.13 hours 43 min ago
SABR MattI think someone would claim Peguero...and we might need him to back up at CF if something happens to Chavez...so no, I would not DFA Pegs...I'd DFA Martinez.14 hours 10 min ago
SpectatorDrayer says I'm wrong and it won't be Harang or Andino, but someone in the minors. In theory they could move Hultzen to the 60-day since he's already been out 30+ days and hasn't started throwing yet. Or, as others have suggested, F.Martinez or Catricala could be cut. I'd kiss off Carlos Peguero myself. Guess we'll see.14 hours 35 min ago
SABR MattThat is officer thinking there G. Sucre is the perfect transition back-up catcher for that reason. You can drop Martinez off the roster to make room...then DFA Andino and calll up Franklin soon...after which you would DFA Harang and call up Bonderman15 hours 53 min ago
moethedogAbsolutely G. Give him the 1st Maurer start. Get his feet wet.16 hours 6 min ago