Rotation Free-for-All

The 6-10 starters beat the 1977 M's rotation

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So, tactically, here's what SSI is watching for in March:

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=== Jeremy Bonderman ===

Tactically, we're watching for a freshly-minted willingness to mix his pitches less predictably.

Bonderman probably has less "pitchability" than any starter in the major leagues, and he has the career ERA-xFIP to show for it.  

With his hard swerveball, and his dancing slider, he should have had a career ERA+ of 110.  Instead, it's been 90.  He's the Brandon League of starting pitchers, coming in with the same 2-0 and 3-1 pitches time after time.  He's always stubbornly refused to change .... but he's had two years away from the game, and maybe he's a listener now.

Who knows.  We're just telling you what we're watching for.

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=== Jon Garland ===

He won 10-18 games a year, racking up 200 innings per, for what, the entire decade of the '00's?  With ERA's around 105-110.   He ran Joe Saunders peripherals from stem-to-stern ... Saunders has a 103 ERA+ liftime, compared to Garland's 104.  They both get 5 strikeouts, 2+ walks, average HR rate.  Garland has been, functionally, a tall, pretty, right hand Joe Saunders.

Garland's coming off almost two years out and shoulder surgery.  Supposing he came back 100% and gave you a second Joe Saunders.  Would you want that?

Well, a 105 ERA+ isn't much for a #2 starter.  It is boring for a #3 starter.  But it's one whale of a #4 starter, and it's a championship #5 starter.

The tactical question is easy.  Is he all the way back from shoulder surgery, not only in velocity but in pinpoint location.

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=== Blake Beavan ===

Tactically:  does he now have a forkball?

Kidding.  Remember now, he's one of baseball's finest pitchers right up until the point where the ump calls strike two.  And then he can't put away a hitter if his mother's kitty cat depended on it.

A putaway pitch?  His career, never mind his 2013, will depend on it.  

It could happen.

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=== The Big Four ===

Paxton:  the front knee and the decel.  Gordon has talked about the fact that the Gio's and Kershaw's of the game are welcome to walk 4-5 men as rookies, for any organization other than the Seattle Mariners.

But even Dr. D wants to see that decel smoothed out.  Who knows - maybe it was always just the injury in the knee?

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Hultzen:  Just the release point.  

It could kick in at literally any moment.  Why?  Because he's had the release point before.  ANY GIVEN MORNING during the spring you could read in the paper, "Wow, Hultzen is throwing the stuffing out of the ball."  Or not.  If you do, then off we go.

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Taijuan:  Tactically, there's probably nothing to watch for.  I'm sure he'd finish 2013 in the top 20 in the AL in earned run average, if allowed to do so.  And I can't imagine he wouldn't do more than any other pitcher to justify the 1-year deals on Morales, Morse and Saunders.

There was some discussion at BJOL this week about HOF-qualified Davey Johnson -- he took Dwight Gooden at what, age 18-19, and said "He's one of my five best starters.  He's in there."  We all have predilections; a person's attitude toward a Taijuan Walker situation becomes a litmus test for him.  It's a good way to gauge what your predilections are.

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Erasmo:  we presume that he has to foul up royally to lose a spot.  Erasmo Ramirez is not known for fouling up royally.  Am looking forward to six most heinous years of Erasmage.

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Comments

Great thread, Doc.

If Z is all in for '13, and if bringing in a Bonderman or Garland is all about finding a couple of cheap 40% bets and hoping one comes in, then Big Foug guys have to be part of the battle plan. Assuming that ERAM is a lock, that means that some of the Big Three must be in, at least, the 2nd wave onto the '13 beachhead. And there's a chance they will be in the first wave.

OK, so we open with Felix, Saunders, Erasmo, Iwkuma and one of Bonderman/Garland/Beavan. Beavan is a fairly safe bet to be decent but if Bonderman and Garland are each less than 40% rolls (and I think that's fair) then you still have, at best, slightly less than 2 out of 3 shot that one of them is a rotation guy on April 1st. It could be a 15% shot, something like that. That means that you have to be considering a Big Three guy, even now. Assuming that one of those three guys shines more than Beavan in Arizona. Not a longshot bet. I'll lay money on that now.

I haven't seen much indication of that from Z/Sarge, but the thought that a Big Three guy just might break camp must be there. if 2013 is all about 2013 and not 2015 then they can't really afford to not consider that. If we're only 1/2 in in April and May, you many get 20 starts out of 4's and 5's before we make a Big Three call-up. If Beavan stumbles then there could be a hole in that plan.

10 starts from a gouged Garland or Bombed Beavan or Blasted Bonderman may dig you a deep and early '13 hole.

Then the All In in '13 strategy collapses.

All In means just that Z. Make your move.

moe

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Bonderman/Garland/Beavan may be just spaghetti for the rotation. I like giving the first two a chance to come back to the bigs, even if they end up playing for another team. The Bonderman/League reference is scary, and Garland could eat innings if healthy. Many forget that Beavan also ate innings in 2012, ~150 in Seattle and ~40 in Tacoma. I look forward to the prospects of one or more of the kids pitching great innings, not just eating innings. That's when the real fun starts.

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My hunch is two that will come through are Beavan and Smoak. Both get no love, but both are still young. Smoak worked out hard this offseason and I have this feeling he will break out. Beavan will never be a #2, but if these changes work in making his flat fastball not so flat, he could easily be a #3. Or a nice piece in a blockbuster trade. A successful Beavan, another starter and 2 good bullpen pitchers are a great place to start for a megabat trade with a few years of team control.

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moethedogAgreed3 hours 31 min ago
SABR MattGood. It would be a stupid decision to roster him anyway6 hours 1 min ago
moethedogOuch, Joe Saunders!16 hours 29 min ago
Gordon GrossKivlehan had a golden sombrero today, going 0-for-4 with 4 Ks. A bit of a comedown from yesterday, but the experience is still good for him and his ABs weren't terrible. Sam Gaviglio got lit up today too, but one game doesn't make or break you. The fun of all this competition is that two bad days might, in fact, break you.1 day 16 hours ago
SABR MattSplit the SS games today...and the remarkable thing is that both of our SS line-ups were pretty deep. :)1 day 18 hours ago
SABR Mattthere goes Texas' season.1 day 18 hours ago
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moethedogI'm with you moj. Way in. Keep 'em both! Willie who?2 days 18 hours ago
Tacoma RainJordy Lara played a couple innings yesterday at 3rd too2 days 18 hours ago
SpectatorNow that I look at it, Blash hasn't been given a shot or Paolini in the first 3 games. But Cousino did. Guess that's a little tip about how they see the pecking order. Unless there's injuries or something.2 days 18 hours ago
Gordon GrossI missed on Chris Taylor too originally, Spec. I thought he was a Bloomquist type, which has value but not great value. He certainly seems to be on a higher trajectory than that. Elias and Landazuri were big with me in spring of 2013, so I'm glad one of them has come through. Still have hopes for Lando. Also, Jordy Lara in the outfield is not really what I wanna see - and yeah, Kivlehan isn't slowing down yet. I really, really love that.2 days 19 hours ago
DragoHey I think we should get an SSI Fantasy Baseball league going! I have plenty of friends who are into fantasy football but I can&#039;t scare up anyone to play fantasy baseball!2 days 19 hours ago
SpectatorJordy Lara playing OF. He and Blash and Romero and Paolini would all be in the mix for RH OF reserve ... but Kivlehan is blowing them all away.2 days 19 hours ago
MtGrizzlyMarte on defense...yikes.2 days 19 hours ago
SpectatorHere's the 2013 spreadsheet used by the guy who compiles the consensus rankings. Credit to Fangraphs (and Gordon) for having Kivlehan at No. 11. I had him No. 33. Look in vain for the name Chris Taylor. It's not there. Nor Roenis Elias. Nor Dominic Leone. John Sickles had Carson Smith No. 18. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1anJblCbm3y3dQ9psaztJhjN-G1CGQ_-PpyLnCV_uXBc/edit#gid=02 days 19 hours ago
Gordon GrossI've now jinxed Marte, and he's returning to the form that makes me nervous about him. ;)2 days 19 hours ago
Gordon GrossMarte looks the part of a real ballplayer out there. Got a nice bit of muscle over the last couple seasons too. I can understand why scouts really like him - a tweak here or there at the plate might help boost him quite a bit.2 days 20 hours ago
mojicianSo why can't a bat first shortstop with wheels make a good benchie? Taylor? Miller? Why choose? use them both.2 days 20 hours ago
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Gordon GrossNice home run by Taylor - that two-horse race between him and Miller should be fun all Spring.2 days 20 hours ago